From the creator of Video Skepdude

Italian doctors refuse to perform abortion

According to a NYTimes briefing, nearly 70% of Italian doctors refuse to perform abortions.

Nearly 70 percent of Italian gynecologists now refuse to perform abortions on moral grounds, according to the Health Ministry. Italy legalized abortion in 1978 but pressure from the Vatican enabled doctors to claim a “conscientious objection” and refuse to carry out the procedure. Between 2003 and 2007 the number of gynecologists claiming the exemption rose to 69.2 percent, from 58.7 percent, the ministry said

Wow, can we really allow this kind of thing to happen? What if cops refused to apprehend criminals on Sunday?  What if doctors start refusing treating black people? I mean, morals is such a loose term, that anything can be done, or not done, in the name of your “morals”. What kind of bullshit drug are these doctors on? The thing that amazes me is that these are scientifically trained people who can’t seem to reason through a simple problem. I wonder if next their neurosurgeons will refuse to perform life saving surgeries on uncircumcised men. “Well I cant’ touch an uncircumcised man, it’s against my religion morals!”


April 23, 2008 - Posted by | Crimes against Humanity, Critical Thinking, Morality | ,


  1. Skepdude, in Italy only Muslims and Jews are circumcised, so your neurosurgeon would hardly work on any men at all.

    To your main point, yes we absolutely must allow people to refuse to do what is against their conscience. You only seem to have considered those action that you happen to think ought to be done. Do you want to go back to World War I, when conscientious objectors were put into uniform, dragged to the front, then shot for refusing to obey orders? If I were a woman wanting an abortion, the last person I’d want down there is someone doing it under duress and muttering about “murdering” my “unborn baby”. And I’m afraid there is nobody other than the person whose conscience it is who can decide what ought to go in there. We just have to put up with some people refusing to do things that need to be done. Someone else will have to do them.

    We actually want more people conscientiously refusing to do a few things – atrocities, executions, war. Nurses of St Vincent’s Hospital, Santa Fe, had to fight for the right to refuse to perform medically unnecessary circumcisions. “If I don’t, someone else will” is the lamest excuse.

    Comment by hugh7 | April 25, 2008 | Reply

  2. Acutally hugh, you are wrong. If someone is opposed bo abortion then they should have the choice not to become a gynecologist, but I don’t think they should refuse to perform their duties solely on their moral (read religious) oposition to them. If the procedure is a medically accpeted one, and the patient desires to have it done, and it is legal, then the doctor should perform it, otherwise he has no business being a doctor at all.

    If you want to be a doctor, you must perfrom the duties of a doctor. If you find the duties immoral, then don’t become a doctor. The choice is yours. I am not taking that choice away. Comparing my comment to the World War I scenario you prescribe is a bit of a slippery slope.

    I agree with you when you say that: “If I were a woman wanting an abortion, the last person I’d want down there is someone doing it under duress and muttering about “murdering” my “unborn baby””. By all means nobody wants that. What if you are a black woman going in for a regular surgery, other than abortion, and the doctor is a racist? Can he get away with refusing to work on you based on his “morals”? The point is that you never really know what’s going on is someone’s mind. They may not say it out loud but they may feel it. Either way, the duty of a doctor is to provide medical services not to preach to you about morality. Leave that to the Church and philosophy.

    Just think about it. What if everyone started deciding not to perform their work duties based on their system of morality? That is why I gave the cop on sunday and the neurosurgeon and circumcision examples. Would you be willing to live in a world where cops can just choose not to do any work on Sunday because their morals object to it?

    People have responsibilities. A doctor has repsonsibilities to his patients. Don’t we “force” doctors to work on people of color even though they may not want to? Now you tell me can a doctor say, I refuse to treat a black patient because I don’t like black people, and get away with it, even if the treatment is minor and the injury not life threatening?

    Comment by Skepdude | April 25, 2008 | Reply

  3. PS: Here’s a clear example of what I am talking about:

    Comment by Skepdude | April 25, 2008 | Reply

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